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T O P I C R E V I E WvickymadnessWell I've searched a lot for these two aspects and I didn't get enough information ... Will be grateful if you write me some vickymadnessand I know they are hard aspects , how can I tone them down or handle them ?aquaguy91i have pluto squaring my ascendant exact and the way this manifests for me is that i seem intimidating to people without even meaning to. Alot of times people tell me i look ticked off and i can be really happy,also when i look at people,even if their back is turned they immediately turn around and see me,especially women,i cant so much as glance at a pretty woman without getting caught,its quiet annoying lol. hope this helpedpandacake^Lol men don't glance! Men look. :-PWomen glance, we take quick snapshots. vickymadness quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91:i have pluto squaring my ascendant exact and the way this manifests for me is that i seem intimidating to people without even meaning to. Alot of times people tell me i look ticked off and i can be really happy,also when i look at people,even if their back is turned they immediately turn around and see me,especially women,i cant so much as glance at a pretty woman without getting caught,its quiet annoying lol. hope this helpedhahaha aqua guy, And i was looking for an explanation for the glancing thing , it happens to me as well. Anything to do with the character? Or this aspect is not a skin deep thing ?Am guessing you are either leo or aqua rising - if 91 was your birth year aquaguy91 quote:Originally posted by vickymadness: hahaha aqua guy, And i was looking for an explanation for the glancing thing , it happens to me as well. Anything to do with the character? Or this aspect is not a skin deep thing ?Am guessing you are either leo or aqua rising - if 91 was your birth year im an aqua rising,and i think its a skin deep thing,because your ascendant is how others perceive youaquaguy91 quote:Originally posted by pandacake:^Lol men don't glance! Men look. :-PWomen glance, we take quick snapshots. lol thats the thing ,i only get a quick glance before i am caught,and you women arent as subtle as you think you are,i catch women eyeing me all the time.vickymadness quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91: im an aqua rising,and i think its a skin deep thing,because your ascendant is how others perceive youam an aqua rising too and I wouldn't trade it with any other even a libra Reason why I think the pluto squaring Asc is not skin deep cause neither any of the qualities usually described in the websites apply to me ... I do give an intimidating impression but that's only an impression... i'm never controlling or have power struggles in my relationships, or have a jealouse vengeful nature as they state. Some people do have bad first impression about me but that changes 180 when they get to know mevickymadness quote:Originally posted by pandacake:^Lol men don't glance! Men look. :-PWomen glance, we take quick snapshots. to be honest, my glances usually lingers long , more than it should and it's directly propotional to him not being aware aquaguy91 quote:Originally posted by vickymadness: am an aqua rising too and I wouldn't trade it with any other even a libra Reason why I think the pluto squaring Asc is not skin deep cause neither any of the qualities usually described in the websites apply to me ... I do give an intimidating impression but that's only an impression... i'm never controlling or have power struggles in my relationships, or have a jealouse vengeful nature as they state. Some people do have bad first impression about me but that changes 180 when they get to know methats what i meant its only an impression, and i have venus conjunct the ascendant so im like a aqua/taurus ascendantvickymadnessyour sun ?aquaguy91 quote:Originally posted by vickymadness:your sun ?aquarius sun and ascendant ,taurus moon,gemini mars,capricorn mercury,aquarius venusStawrI have Venus Pisces sqaure asc GeminiI've also have had guys turn around from me staring at them. (must be my other pluto aspects) AquacheekaI have Pluto squaring ascendant (by sign) and Venus opposing ascendant Swift FreezeHello again Vicky, the thread about Venus aspecting Pluto. Maybe you remember, maybe you don't.I have a Leo Ascendant with a Venus Pluto conjunction squaring it. When it comes down to it, it can be a pretty difficult placement. I don't know whether its just myself but since the Ascendant is said to be your outter appearence part of your personality that shines the brightest from the furthest away. I think of it like, the beautiful tree that brings you to the Orchard filled with just as beautiful flowers of a myriad of shapes, sizes, colours, and smells. With Venus signifying the things you find pleasing, attractive, and love.I feel there may be an issue between the attractivness you feel towards yourself. I know that I do have particularly low values of self worth when it comes to people and relationships. Do I consider myself unlovable? I'm not sure, but I don't generally see any good reason why someone would decide to love me. There is also the suggestion of this aspect bringing someone towards the tendency of not putting themselves out there or at risk. Depending on the rest of the chart and the person of course.I don't really know that much about Pluto Square Ascendant so I would be interested to find out what others know. Actually after a brief search I found a topic I remember reading ages ago when I first got into Astrology, from this very forum. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008083.html It will be quoted below. quote:Originally posted by Azalaksh:From Steven Forrest's "The Book of Pluto": [QUOTE][b]PLUTO AND THE FOUR ANGLESPLUTO-ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT:THE NATAL SQUARE ASPECTSIn the natal chart, squares between Pluto and the Ascendant suggest a perilous skill: the ability to misrepresent oneself with style and panache, or at the very least to keep secrets effectively.Life is complex and situations arise in which one can make a moral case for obscuring the truth. I have this particular square in my own chart, for exacmple, and being a professional counselor involves honoring confidentiality – a noble enough notion, but in practice if often calls for a degree of verbal nimbleness reminiscent of con-artistry. Often, I must “pretend I don’t know” or distort my own biography…simply in order to honor the higher principle of client confidentiality.Those same skills can be abused. Weaving a web of lies is one Shadow aspect here: another lies in getting trapped in a web that is woven unintentionally often for the highest of reasons – the man or woman, for example, who smilingly abides a sham-marriage “for the sake of the kids”.Regarding the inevitable Pluto/Descendant square that accompanies any natal square of Pluto to the Ascendant, there is throughout the life a pattern of meeting soul mates whose task is to keep us psychologically real, often through rather shocking confrontations and interactions. There is always some sorting out to do here. On one hand, this configuration suggests that friends, lovers, and associates with real insight and psychological intensity will appear whenever we need them, often telling us what we don’t want to hear, helping us unmask. But the same configuration also promises a second possibility, and threatens a third: those soul mates, for all their love and confidence, may be incorrect in their “insights” sometimes! Worse, such a configuration suggests that there may be some “karma” with dark Plutonian corrupters, power-trippers, and faux-gurus who can prove stickily seductive and convincing.[/B][/QUOTE]When it comes to looking at people, I have been asked to stop looking at people i've found attractive because they've found it a little uncomfortable. I don't really mind if a woman catches me looking at her, rather than a casual passing glance, then it's because I find her extremely attractive and it doesn't have to be in a purely physical sense either, it could be mental or emotional also.It's kinda cute when I catch them eyeing me and then looking away pretending they weren't. However, it is so much better when they just have the confidence to sit and stare at me and not be afraid to keep eye contact, hopefully not in a hostile manner. If they can do that I find it super attractive.I am pretty good at finding people looking at me. Whenever I am walking somewhere or in a room with people or whatever it is I am doing. I will look up from whatever I am focused on and look straight at the person looking at me. So I feel I am pretty good at sensing or feeling people looking at me.Hope I helped in this thread also!------------------Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek Happiness. Follow your dreams.vickymadness quote:but I don't generally see any good reason why someone would decide to love me. So true, I feel that too and even when someone loves me I live in a denial state in which I refuse that fact, and even worse I only focus on the negative side of interactions happening between us to prove my point ...
quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91:i have pluto squaring my ascendant exact and the way this manifests for me is that i seem intimidating to people without even meaning to. Alot of times people tell me i look ticked off and i can be really happy,also when i look at people,even if their back is turned they immediately turn around and see me,especially women,i cant so much as glance at a pretty woman without getting caught,its quiet annoying lol. hope this helped
hahaha aqua guy, And i was looking for an explanation for the glancing thing , it happens to me as well. Anything to do with the character? Or this aspect is not a skin deep thing ?
Am guessing you are either leo or aqua rising - if 91 was your birth year
quote:Originally posted by vickymadness: hahaha aqua guy, And i was looking for an explanation for the glancing thing , it happens to me as well. Anything to do with the character? Or this aspect is not a skin deep thing ?Am guessing you are either leo or aqua rising - if 91 was your birth year
im an aqua rising,and i think its a skin deep thing,because your ascendant is how others perceive you
quote:Originally posted by pandacake:^Lol men don't glance! Men look. :-PWomen glance, we take quick snapshots.
lol thats the thing ,i only get a quick glance before i am caught,and you women arent as subtle as you think you are,i catch women eyeing me all the time.
quote:Originally posted by aquaguy91: im an aqua rising,and i think its a skin deep thing,because your ascendant is how others perceive you
am an aqua rising too and I wouldn't trade it with any other even a libra
Reason why I think the pluto squaring Asc is not skin deep cause neither any of the qualities usually described in the websites apply to me ... I do give an intimidating impression but that's only an impression... i'm never controlling or have power struggles in my relationships, or have a jealouse vengeful nature as they state. Some people do have bad first impression about me but that changes 180 when they get to know me
to be honest, my glances usually lingers long , more than it should and it's directly propotional to him not being aware
quote:Originally posted by vickymadness: am an aqua rising too and I wouldn't trade it with any other even a libra Reason why I think the pluto squaring Asc is not skin deep cause neither any of the qualities usually described in the websites apply to me ... I do give an intimidating impression but that's only an impression... i'm never controlling or have power struggles in my relationships, or have a jealouse vengeful nature as they state. Some people do have bad first impression about me but that changes 180 when they get to know me
thats what i meant its only an impression, and i have venus conjunct the ascendant so im like a aqua/taurus ascendant
quote:Originally posted by vickymadness:your sun ?
aquarius sun and ascendant ,taurus moon,gemini mars,capricorn mercury,aquarius venus
I've also have had guys turn around from me staring at them. (must be my other pluto aspects)
I have a Leo Ascendant with a Venus Pluto conjunction squaring it. When it comes down to it, it can be a pretty difficult placement.
I don't know whether its just myself but since the Ascendant is said to be your outter appearence part of your personality that shines the brightest from the furthest away. I think of it like, the beautiful tree that brings you to the Orchard filled with just as beautiful flowers of a myriad of shapes, sizes, colours, and smells. With Venus signifying the things you find pleasing, attractive, and love.
I feel there may be an issue between the attractivness you feel towards yourself. I know that I do have particularly low values of self worth when it comes to people and relationships. Do I consider myself unlovable? I'm not sure, but I don't generally see any good reason why someone would decide to love me. There is also the suggestion of this aspect bringing someone towards the tendency of not putting themselves out there or at risk. Depending on the rest of the chart and the person of course.
I don't really know that much about Pluto Square Ascendant so I would be interested to find out what others know. Actually after a brief search I found a topic I remember reading ages ago when I first got into Astrology, from this very forum. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/008083.html
It will be quoted below.
quote:Originally posted by Azalaksh:From Steven Forrest's "The Book of Pluto": [QUOTE][b]PLUTO AND THE FOUR ANGLESPLUTO-ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT:THE NATAL SQUARE ASPECTSIn the natal chart, squares between Pluto and the Ascendant suggest a perilous skill: the ability to misrepresent oneself with style and panache, or at the very least to keep secrets effectively.Life is complex and situations arise in which one can make a moral case for obscuring the truth. I have this particular square in my own chart, for exacmple, and being a professional counselor involves honoring confidentiality – a noble enough notion, but in practice if often calls for a degree of verbal nimbleness reminiscent of con-artistry. Often, I must “pretend I don’t know” or distort my own biography…simply in order to honor the higher principle of client confidentiality.Those same skills can be abused. Weaving a web of lies is one Shadow aspect here: another lies in getting trapped in a web that is woven unintentionally often for the highest of reasons – the man or woman, for example, who smilingly abides a sham-marriage “for the sake of the kids”.Regarding the inevitable Pluto/Descendant square that accompanies any natal square of Pluto to the Ascendant, there is throughout the life a pattern of meeting soul mates whose task is to keep us psychologically real, often through rather shocking confrontations and interactions. There is always some sorting out to do here. On one hand, this configuration suggests that friends, lovers, and associates with real insight and psychological intensity will appear whenever we need them, often telling us what we don’t want to hear, helping us unmask. But the same configuration also promises a second possibility, and threatens a third: those soul mates, for all their love and confidence, may be incorrect in their “insights” sometimes! Worse, such a configuration suggests that there may be some “karma” with dark Plutonian corrupters, power-trippers, and faux-gurus who can prove stickily seductive and convincing.
PLUTO-ASCENDANT/DESCENDANT:THE NATAL SQUARE ASPECTSIn the natal chart, squares between Pluto and the Ascendant suggest a perilous skill: the ability to misrepresent oneself with style and panache, or at the very least to keep secrets effectively.Life is complex and situations arise in which one can make a moral case for obscuring the truth. I have this particular square in my own chart, for exacmple, and being a professional counselor involves honoring confidentiality – a noble enough notion, but in practice if often calls for a degree of verbal nimbleness reminiscent of con-artistry. Often, I must “pretend I don’t know” or distort my own biography…simply in order to honor the higher principle of client confidentiality.Those same skills can be abused. Weaving a web of lies is one Shadow aspect here: another lies in getting trapped in a web that is woven unintentionally often for the highest of reasons – the man or woman, for example, who smilingly abides a sham-marriage “for the sake of the kids”.Regarding the inevitable Pluto/Descendant square that accompanies any natal square of Pluto to the Ascendant, there is throughout the life a pattern of meeting soul mates whose task is to keep us psychologically real, often through rather shocking confrontations and interactions. There is always some sorting out to do here. On one hand, this configuration suggests that friends, lovers, and associates with real insight and psychological intensity will appear whenever we need them, often telling us what we don’t want to hear, helping us unmask. But the same configuration also promises a second possibility, and threatens a third: those soul mates, for all their love and confidence, may be incorrect in their “insights” sometimes! Worse, such a configuration suggests that there may be some “karma” with dark Plutonian corrupters, power-trippers, and faux-gurus who can prove stickily seductive and convincing.
When it comes to looking at people, I have been asked to stop looking at people i've found attractive because they've found it a little uncomfortable. I don't really mind if a woman catches me looking at her, rather than a casual passing glance, then it's because I find her extremely attractive and it doesn't have to be in a purely physical sense either, it could be mental or emotional also.
It's kinda cute when I catch them eyeing me and then looking away pretending they weren't. However, it is so much better when they just have the confidence to sit and stare at me and not be afraid to keep eye contact, hopefully not in a hostile manner. If they can do that I find it super attractive.
I am pretty good at finding people looking at me. Whenever I am walking somewhere or in a room with people or whatever it is I am doing. I will look up from whatever I am focused on and look straight at the person looking at me. So I feel I am pretty good at sensing or feeling people looking at me.
Hope I helped in this thread also!
------------------Learn lots. Don't judge. Laugh for no reason. Be nice. Seek Happiness. Follow your dreams.
quote:but I don't generally see any good reason why someone would decide to love me.
So true, I feel that too and even when someone loves me I live in a denial state in which I refuse that fact, and even worse I only focus on the negative side of interactions happening between us to prove my point ...
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